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World’s most bizzare border dispute baffles Asian nuclear superpowers

Posted by VicPlough on May 16, 2013 in Religion
NEW DELI, INDIA (Catholic Online) – On Sunday, Indian and Chinese soldiers both packed their tents and walked away from opposing positions on the Depsang Plain. According to both sides, a deal had been reached whereby both would pull back their forces on the plain. Neither side commented on the details of the deal, other than it involved a mutual withdraw.

The Despang plain is a windswept plateau that rests at 16,000 feet. It’s both desolate and remote, but both sides say it belongs to them.

The Despang Plain was initially occupied by the Chinese in 1962, which provoked an Indian response. Neither side engaged in fighting, and the Chinese made a partial withdraw within days. Both sides have agreed to draw a border there, but neither can agree on precisely where.

China claims the eastern portion of the plain, while India claims the whole of it.

On April 15, Chinese troops moved onto the plain again, carrying marker flags to signify they were in friendly territory. Indian troops saw this as an incursion, but did not fire on their Chinese counterparts. Instead, they make a diplomatic protest.

According to Indian authorities, Chinese soldiers crossed more than 12 miles into Indian territory.

However, military commanders from both sides have already met and according to Indian officials, agreed on the mutual withdraw of forces.

China says it never crossed the border.

The plateau has no special significance for either side and provides no significant resources. Although it is close to the border with Pakistan, the mountains above are covered with snow and glaciers and are difficult to pass. China already shares a lengthy border with Pakistan anyway. The entire dispute is grounded in prestige rather than wealth.

However, the tensions have threatened to overshadow the visit of the Indian foreign minister to Beijing on May 9. For now, they appear to be resolved, although Chinese motivation to move onto the plateau remains a mystery.

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With Hezbollah statement, Syrian conflict threatens to spread into multinational conflict

Posted by VicPlough on May 15, 2013 in Religion
TEL AVIV, ISRAEL (Catholic Online) – Hezbollah chief, Hassan Nasrallah stunned the world yesterday when he announced that Syria would provide Hezbollah with “game changing weapons.”

Hezbollah is a terrorist organization based in Lebanon and supports the regime of Bashir al Assad. Hezbollah is engaged in a long-running conflict with Israel that regularly turns violent. Most commonly, Hezbollah is launching Iranian-designed and home-built missiles at Israel. Israel often retaliates with airstrikes.

Hezbollah has been receiving material support from Iran, via Syria. Last week, Israel bombed a warehouse at the airport in Damascus which they say contained a shipment of Iranian missiles. That strike on Syrian territory has al Assad’s regime angry and apparently prepared to support Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is anxious to receive the new weapons.

The resistance is prepared to accept any sophisticated weaponry even if it was to break the equilibrium,” Nasrallah said. “We are worthy of having such weapons and we would use them to defend our people and our country and our holy sites.”

“Syria will give the resistance special weapons it never had before. We mean game-changing.”

Hezbollah fighters are already fighting Syrian rebels near the border with Lebanon. Their fighters have also attacked the UN secured Golan Heights on the border between Israel and Syria. Those heights form a protective buffer that prevents the Syrians from using them to stage attacks on Israel. Hezbollah says it will fight to retake those heights for Syria.

The key question that remains is just what did Nasrallah mean by “game changing”? Could this mean chemical weapons? Can Israel afford to wait and see?

The situation in Syria is growing worse by the day. The rebels clearly do not have the power to overthrow Assad on their own, despite lukewarm support from the U.S. and regional allies. Assad cannot likely regain control either, but he enjoys powerful material support from his allies, which includes Iran, Russia, and various terrorist organizations including Hezbollah.

Now, Syria is also pledging to strike at Israel, although it is unknown if this will be through their Hezbollah proxies or if they will stage direct attacks of their own.

Israel is capable of defending itself. The nation’s military is not fully mobilized and their technology and expertise is unmatched in the region. However, Israel will face two problems. The first is military – it is difficult to destroy an enemy of irregulars that hides amongst civilians. The second is political, Israeli involvement in support of the Syrian rebels would be enormously unpopular. The United States has itself offered very little support for Israeli action.

Yet Israel cannot afford to wait for clouds of poison gas to burst over populated areas before going into action. This means the conflict may quickly widen into a multinational war.

If that happens, the U.S. may have no choice but to become involved to end the conflict by military means.

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A Search For Faith In ‘Godless’ Washington

Posted by VicPlough on May 12, 2013 in Religion

Story By: by NPR Staff

The National Cathedral in Washington, D.C, is one of the world’s largest cathedrals, and the seat of the Episcopal Church.

War has brought the act of faith to the forefront for those who occupy the White House. President Lincoln famously issued a call to prayer during the Civil war. Franklin Roosevelt announced D-Day to the nation with a prayer.

Today, President Obama receives a daily spiritual meditation. The man who sends those messages is a Pentecostal minister named Joshua DuBois.

When he first moved to Washington, D.C., DuBois says he had already formed an impression about the spiritual life of the town.

“I had heard that Washington was, quite frankly, a pretty godless place,” he says, “that people weren’t serious about their faith and their values.”

But what he found was quite the opposite.

“A lot of folks who were active in the public square, when they got back home, they took their faith practice pretty seriously, and that was illuminating for me,” he says.

DuBois worked with religious communities across the U.S. as the head of the Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships under Obama. In February 2013, he stepped down and took a teaching position at New York University, and also writes for the Daily Beast.

He tells Kelly McEvers, host of weekends on All Things Considered, that he now sees the nation’s capital as a place where peoples’ faith is strong. In a recent article for Newsweek, he writes of congressmen, senators and other officials in the public eye who practice their faith openly.

“We just peer a little bit into their lives, not their proclamations, but their private, lived experiences,” DuBois says.

That includes people like Sen. Ben Cardin from Maryland, who’s Jewish and observes the Sabbath, and Congressman Andre Carson, a Muslim who prays five times a day from his Washington office.

DuBois also wrote about a group of four officials, two Democrats and two Republicans, who meet regularly at a coffeehouse.

“It’s a fascinating story,” DuBois says.

“Across these significant political divides, they get together once a week and spend a little time in conversation and prayer,” he says. “They share about each other’s lives, and learn about each other’s families, and really seek to bridge those divides.”

It often seems that high-profile people in Washington are reluctant to make their faith public. DuBois says there’s a desire to remain authentic.

“There’s a suspicion that if they’re seen as touting their faith and their values, or wearing it on their sleeves, that people will think that they’re seeking to gain some political benefit from their religious testimonies,” DuBois says. “I think folks are very sensitive about that.”

During his own tenure in the capital, DuBois found his faith changed by Washington.

“It has stretched and grown,” he says.

“It was a constant struggle, as it is for many people of faith in politics, to maintain your core values and belief when they’re under attack,” he says. “In many cases, like in the course of a campaign and you’re in pitched battle with someone else, you know, there’s a temptation to go beyond the boundaries of what your faith says about how you should treat other people.”

“Having to fight those battles, winning some and losing some of those internal battles, I think really served to strengthen my own Christian faith — as I think it has done for many people of diverse faith backgrounds in D.C.”

 
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The cure that KILLS: Half of all U.S. overdose deaths are from prescribed medicine

Posted by VicPlough on May 3, 2013 in Religion
LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic online) – The study also found that the rate of all drug overdoses in the U.S. has more than doubled over the last 10 years.

The National Center for Health Statistics dutifully records all deaths listed on certificates, which they are required by law to include an underlying cause.

By first collating deaths listed as “accidental poisoning,” intentional self-poisoning,” “assault by drugs” and “poisoning with undetermined intent” and then analyzing the sub-categories, it appears around 50 percent of overdose deaths involve medicines.

High atop the list of deadly prescription medications are opioid analgesics, prescription painkillers like OxyContin and Vicodin. Nearly three-quarters of these deaths are attributed to these classes of drugs.

The researchers also found that drugs often prescribed for mental health conditions were involved in a significant number of pharmaceutical overdose deaths. Benzodiazepines, or anti-anxiety drugs) were involved in nearly 30 percent of these deaths; antidepressants in 18 percent, and antipsychotic drugs in six percent.

Deaths involving more than one drug or drug class are counted multiple times and therefore are not mutually exclusive.

“Patients with mental health or substance use disorders are at increased risk for nonmedical use and overdose from prescription painkillers as well as being prescribed high doses of these drugs,” CDC Director Tom Frieden, M.D., M.P.H. says. “Appropriate screening, identification, and clinical management by health care providers are essential parts of both behavioral health and chronic pain management.”

The Web site says that while cocaine, heroin and alcohol all warrant their on stripe on the charts involving drug overdose deaths, others like marijuana and LSD barely register at all.

The study notes that the rate of total reported overdoses has more than doubled between 1999 and 2010.

Some subcategories are limited in their detail and many drugs are included in umbrella terms such as “psycho-stimulants”.

Around a quarter of all overdose death certificates don’t have the toxicity test results listed at all, so they are labeled in the “unspecified” stripe on the graph.

The database doesn’t include non-U.S. residents or U.S nationals living abroad.

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Evangelicals Try To Soften Hearts On Overhauling Immigration

Posted by VicPlough on Apr 30, 2013 in Religion

Story By: by John Burnett

The evangelical movement, historically, has not been supportive of overhauling immigration. But that stance is changing. The Evangelical Immigration Table has united a diverse section of religious groups — from the social justice organization Sojourners to the Southern Baptist Convention.

 
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Catholic ads in NY: Jesus was ‘the original hipster’

Posted by VicPlough on Apr 27, 2013 in Religion

Catholic ads in NY: Jesus was ‘the original hipster’Pallavi Reddy ("CNN," April 24, 2013)

Ads around Brooklyn bring a new meaning to Joan Osborne’s lyrics, “What if God was one of us?”

In a new ad campaign launched by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn this month, people in the borough and neighboring Queens have a new way to view Jesus: “The Original Hipster.”

The ads feature the bottom half of a man – meant to be Jesus – wearing robes with a pair of dirty red Converse sneakers peeking out from the bottom.

In a news release, the diocese refers to Seth Meyers’ joke on “Saturday Night Live” that Converse sneakers are why more Catholics are returning to the church, and says the marketing campaign is “showing a cooler and more welcoming side of the Catholic Church.”

Brooklyn’s Williamsburg neighborhood, near Queens, is considered to be the “unofficial East Coast birthplace of hipsterism,” as a 2012 article in Forbes put it.

Monsignor Kieran Harrington said he understood the importance of relating to the people of the area.

“Jesus appears (in these ads) like people of the L train,” he said. “What is a hipster anyway? Someone who stands against the (mainstream) culture. Jesus stood against the culture.”

Brooklyn’s Williamsburg neighborhood, near Queens, is considered to be the “unofficial East Coast birthplace of hipsterism,” as a 2012 article in Forbes put it.

Monsignor Kieran Harrington said he understood the importance of relating to the people of the area.

“Jesus appears (in these ads) like people of the L train,” he said. “What is a hipster anyway? Someone who stands against the (mainstream) culture. Jesus stood against the culture.”

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U.S. signs controversial UN arms treaty

Posted by VicPlough on Apr 18, 2013 in Religion
NEW YORK, NY (Catholic Online) – The Arms Trade Treaty was approved by 154 countries including the U.S. All other countries, except three abstained. Russia and China were among the abstentions-an expected move since both are large-scale arms exporters.

Syria, Iran, and North Korea voted against the treaty, accusing the framers of composing a treaty that unfairly targeted their countries.

The treaty enjoyed broad support from African nations that were concerned about how the influx of weapons into their countries, particularly via the black market, affected their political stability.

Although the United States voter in support of the treaty, the treaty was widely opposed in the U.S. and by the National Rifle Association (NRA) on the grounds that it could have a controlling effect on domestic arms sales.  They see the treaty as potentially interfering with Second Amendment rights of citizens.

Several U.S. politicians from the Republican Party have also criticized the treaty.

The treaty will however, link the sales of arms to the human-rights records of the buyers. It is hoped that the potential of political embarrassment will dissuade suppliers from dealing with shameful buyers with poor human rights records.

Chances are, however, that such dealers and suppliers have little concern or this. Despite the broad international support for the treaty, like most things passed by the UN, this treaty has no enforcement mechanism.

The treaty will now have to be ratified by the United States Senate.

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Pope Francis shows the way to save the Church

Posted by VicPlough on Apr 17, 2013 in Religion
ROME, ITALY (Catholic Online) – Speaking from the Basilica of St. Paul, Pope Francis called for Church leaders and members to turn away from hypocrisy. The Holy Father is developing a reputation for his plain and direct, no-nonsense approach to problems.

“Inconsistency on the part of pastors and the faithful between what they say and what they do, between word and manner of life, is undermining the Church’s credibility,” Pope Francis said during homily.

“Those who listen to us and observe us must be able to see in our actions what they hear from our lips, and so give glory to God!” he added.

Pope Francis is working to reform a Church that has fallen into quiet turmoil on the inside. Problems that have brewed for a long time within the walls of the Vatican came to public light following the embarrassing leak of internal documents. In addition, public outrage over the abuse of children has boiled over and is costing the Church both money and credibility.

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI even left a not-so-secret report for Francis that detailed the problems the Church is facing.

Pope Francis, who has now been seated for just over a month, has electrified a Church that to some felt stagnant and was losing credibility. The Church was finding it increasingly difficult to shield itself from stinging criticism.

Now, Pope Francis has ordered an offensive, but not one aimed at the Church’s external enemies. Instead, the battle is against internal enemies. Pedophile clergy, corrupt leadership, and loose practices are targets of his attention. Moreover, Francis is leading all Christians in a renewed call to serve the poor and needy.

He is leading by example. He has transitioned his Spartan and simple life to the Vatican where he has refused lavish papal apartments and regalia. He repeatedly plunges himself into crowds, stops to greet and kiss the sick, and blesses all those whom he touches.

Both Catholics and non-Catholic Christians alike are being widely inspired by his leadership.

Therefore, Catholics have new orders from the Holy Father, and those orders are to cleanse the self, to be followed by ministry for the poor.

The strategy is sublime in its genius. If Catholics concern themselves with resolving personal issues and issues within their own church, and busy themselves with caring for those who are most in need of love and charity, then there will be no enemy can harm the Church.

Indeed, the faithful will be too busy living a life of saintly merit to be distracted by enemies. Let’s hope the Holy Father’s call to action is well heeded by all.

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French troops pound Mali Islamists near Gao

Posted by VicPlough on Apr 16, 2013 in Religion
LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) – A thousand French soldiers swept a valley believed to be a logistics base for Al-Qaeda-linked Islamists near the Malian city of Gao. Called Operation Gustav, the movement is one of France’s largest actions since its intervention in its former colony, involves dozens of tanks, helicopters and aircraft.

“We surrounded the valley north of Gao, which we believe serves as a logistics base for jihadist groups, and we began to search methodically,” General Bernard Barrera, commander of the French land forces in Mali said.

In the meantime, France has withdrawn its first batch of 100 soldiers from Mali as it prepares to transfer responsibility for the county’s security to a U.N.-mandated African force of 6,300 in the coming weeks.

Four thousand French troops were sent to Mali in January to block a feared advance on the capital Bamako by the Islamist fighters who took control of the country’s north a year ago.

France says it plans to pull its soldiers out of the country but plans to leave a permanent 1,000-strong force to fight terrorism.

Gao is 750 miles from the capital Bamako, was a stronghold of the Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa, or MUJAO, one of the Islamist militias which occupied the north until being dislodged in January.

Gao suffered the first suicide bombings in Mali’s history in February and has been the scene of deadly clashes between French-Malian forces and jihadists over the last few days.

Troops reported that they neutralized around 340 artillery shells and high-caliber rockets and destroyed a Toyota pick-up truck. No Islamist fighters have yet been encountered on the first day of Operation Gustav.

France’s 3rd Mechanized Brigade later began the excavation of a thick forest where military intelligence suspects a jihadist base may be hidden.

Troops will spend the coming days combing the 12-mile valley with the help of Malian soldiers and police officers going into the nomad camps and mud houses which line the dry river basin.

“This is the fourth wadi we have gone into in the Gao region. There will no doubt be other such operations but perhaps not to the same extent,” Barrera said.

Ethnic Tuareg rebels seized the country’s vast arid north in the chaos following a coup in Bamako in March 2012 before losing control to well-armed Islamists. A French-led intervention quickly drove insurgents from most of their northern strongholds. However, there significant pockets of resistance in Gao, as well as in the fabled desert city of Timbuktu.

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20 years after fire, David Koresh’s tragic spell lingers

Posted by VicPlough on Apr 15, 2013 in Religion

20 years after fire, David Koresh’s tragic spell lingersTim Madigan ("Star-Telegram," April 14, 2013)

Waco — Clive Doyle is a pleasant-looking man of 72, with wavy graying hair. Australia lingers in his accent. He wore a leather jacket on the chilly recent afternoon when we spent more than an hour together at a picnic table in a Waco park. He was soft-spoken, articulate and seemingly very sane.

Yet 20 years ago this Friday, this same man was one of only nine Branch Davidians to survive the internationally televised inferno on the Texas prairie. Killed that day near Waco were cult leader David Koresh and 73 followers, including Doyle’s 18-year-old daughter, Shari, and 20 children under 14. Before the fire and the 51-day standoff with the federal government, Doyle’s daughter had been one of many women and girls of the cult taken into Koresh’s bed. Koresh — who preached that he was the Lamb of God, drove a sports car and motorcycle, and had a rock band and an arsenal of illegal weapons — had ordered his male followers to be celibate.

Doyle has had two decades to reflect on these things, and clearly he has. So my question was obvious.

“You mean, have I woken up?” Doyle said to me with a smile.

Well, yes.

“I’ve had questions and adjusted my beliefs somewhat,” Doyle said that day in the park. “But I still believe that David was who he claimed to be. You are sitting there listening to him. You hear all these things and the Scriptures come alive. And at the time, everything seems so imminent. That’s why I believed the way I did.

“I believe he was a manifestation, yes, of God taking on flesh,” Doyle said. “God has done that more than once.”

Most of the other survivors remain similarly steadfast, Doyle said, a handful of people who still gather in Waco on Saturday mornings to pray. Thus one of the most tragic and bizarre episodes of American history remains just that. Bizarre, unexplainable.

It began on a rainy Sunday morning, Feb. 28, 1993, with an ill-fated raid by agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. The assault on what was known as Mount Carmel followed a long federal investigation into Koresh’s growing arsenal. Local social services agencies had also looked into reports that the leader was having sex with underage girls who were part of the community.

Four federal agents were killed in a bloody gunbattle with the cultists that Sunday, and 20 more were wounded. Six Branch Davidians died. By that evening, the muddy encampment called Satellite City had sprouted nearby. Hundreds of reporters from around the world loitered for the next six weeks, eating Salvation Army doughnuts, getting haircuts, practicing their golf swings, and chronicling a darkly comic cat-and-mouse game between Koresh and FBI negotiators.

Souvenir vendors sold T-shirts that said Waco was really an acronym for “We Ain’t Coming Out.” Leno, Letterman and Saturday Night Live had a fresh supply of punch lines for weeks.

“This just in,” SNL’s Kevin Nealon reported on Weekend Update. “David Koresh has admitted he’s not really Jesus but actually is a disgruntled postal employee.”

Most assumed that the nuts near Waco would eventually come marching out. Not me.

While the siege droned on, I was working on a book about Koresh, talking to people around the world with firsthand acquaintance. Samuel Henry was one, a middle-aged carpenter in Manchester, England, who lost his family to the cult, one by one. Koresh, the guitar-playing Yank with shoulder-length hair and a dense interpretation of the Book of Revelation, was rejected by most on his international recruiting trips. But Samuel Henry told me that his daughter Diana was beside herself after hearing Koresh preach in a Manchester living room.

“Daddy, listen!” she cried. “Listen!”

Diana Henry, two sisters and two brothers all ended up with Koresh in Texas.

“You’ve got to be joking,” Samuel Henry cried when his wife, Zilla, announced that she was following her children. “Let’s talk about this. Let’s pray about this.”

“It’s too late,” Zilla told him in 1990. “This man is the Christ.”

Samuel Henry, a religious man himself, flew to Texas to confront Koresh but could not persuade his family to return. When we talked during the standoff, he said he thought Koresh was another Jim Jones, the cult leader who inspired 900 followers to commit suicide in Guyana in 1978. I heard similar stories from other relatives. By mid-April 1993, I had come to believe that the standoff was headed toward a dark and tragic end.

April 19, 1993, was a bright, very windy spring day. The fires at Mount Carmel became visible around noon, six hours after the FBI began to fire tear gas into the compound and break down walls with armored vehicles. Government conspiracy theorists have had a field day ever since, alleging, among other things, that federal agents either accidentally or intentionally started the fire, and pinned the Branch Davidians inside with gunfire.

Waco was a primary inspiration for Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, who struck on the same date, two years later.

“The bad acts alleged in this case are among the most serious charges that can be leveled against a government,” special counsel John Danforth would write in 2000, after a long investigation into what happened. “That its agents deliberately set fire to a building full of people, that they pinned children in the burning building with gunfire, that they illegally employed the armed forces … and that they then lied about their conduct.”

In 1999, a Time magazine poll showed that 61 percent of the American public believed the government had started the fires. That was ridiculous, Danforth concluded.

“What is remarkable is the overwhelming evidence exonerating the government from the charges made against it, and the lack of any real evidence to support charges of bad acts. … In the face of such a calamity, we have a need to affix blame. Things like this just can’t happen; they must be the government’s fault. We are somehow able to ignore the contrary evidence — never mind the fact that the FBI waited for 51 days without firing a shot, never mind the evidence that the Branch Davidians started the fire, never mind that the FBI agents risked their own lives in efforts to rescue the Davidians — and we buy into the notion that the government would deliberately kill 80 people in a burning building.”

Meanwhile, obscured by the conspiracy theories was the sinister, inexplicable reality. Teachers, lawyers, college professors, social workers, mothers, fathers, sons and daughters had fallen under Koresh’s spell, surrendering their money, wives and daughters, and ultimately their lives in fiery deaths.

After all these years, it was clear from my recent visit with Clive Doyle that the spell lingers.

‘It was a cult’

Jason Sharp lives in Frankfort, Ind., but that recent afternoon he was visiting relatives in Texas and figured, why not? He was 19 when he watched the fire on television, live with the rest of the world.

“I wanted to see where it took place,” he said that day at Mount Carmel. “This is going to be a part of history.”

Today, a small wood-frame church marks the spot where the Branch Davidian compound stood, about 10 miles east of Waco. The only real remnants are the shell of an in-ground swimming pool and cinder-block bunkers now filled with water. Elsewhere are a stone memorial for the cult victims and another for the ATF agents who died. It is a quiet, peaceful place.

When Sharp drove off down a gravel road, I walked around the corner of the church and found Charles Pace sitting in his car, talking to a friend. Pace is the pastor of a sect of Branch Davidians, about 20 of them, who still worship at the church. They also built and maintain the memorials and engage in organic farming. Pace’s group doesn’t have much to do with Clive Doyle and the other survivors. The reason became apparent when Pace started talking about Koresh.

“It was a cult, a sex cult,” Pace said.

The Branch Davidians had begun as an offshoot of the Seventh-day Adventists. Pace, a sect member since the 1970s, said he confronted Koresh after hearing him preach in 1984. At the time, he went by the name Vernon Howell, something of a misfit who had been kicked out of a Seventh-day Adventist church in Tyler. Vernon Howell was full of it, Pace thought, but he had memorized large chunks of the Bible.

“He was the kind of guy who could get in your face and challenge you with Scripture,” he said. “He liked the sport of it. But I saw through the whole thing. I protested.”

Pace warned Clive Doyle and the others that Koresh was a false prophet.

Few listened.

“To this day, people like Clive Doyle don’t like me,” Pace said.

So Koresh became the resident Messiah, and Pace moved to Alabama.

“I think he had good intentions at first, but it kind of goes to your head,” Pace said. “I believe it went to his head, and it went to their heads at the same time. It must have been nuts here. I would have beat the sh– out of him if he came near my daughter or my wife. He told them that he was God in the flesh, and they believed him.”

I told Pace of my own sense of darkness as I learned more about Koresh and his cult.

“I always felt that way with him, too,” Pace said. “I still feel that way when I’m around the survivors. It’s still there. There’s something missing in them. They still believe he’s coming back. They still believe it was OK for him to sin.”

‘His spirit impressed me’

In 1994, Clive Doyle was acquitted of charges that included conspiracy to murder a federal agent. He was mentioned several times in the Danforth report. Two decades later, he and a friend, Ron Goins, rent the second floor of a large Victorian house in Waco. They met me on the sidewalk out front.

Doyle got behind the wheel of an old van for a short but awkward drive to the park.

“So you’re the famous Tim Madigan,” he said.

I didn’t know how to respond.

“You wrote the book [about Koresh],” he said.

“I did.”

” See No Evil,” Doyle said.

“What did you think of it?”

“Not much,” Doyle said. “But I can’t blame you. It was published a month after the fire. A lot of information has come out since then.”

We pulled into the park and sat at a table with a fine view of the Brazos River. Happy young joggers ran past every few minutes.

Doyle told me that he grew up in Australia. He learned of the Branch Davidians in the 1960s through their literature, and he moved to the United States to pursue the faith in 1966. Through much of the 1970s, the Branch Davidians lived quietly in the Central Texas countryside, led by an older woman named Lois Roden.

Doyle met Vernon Howell in 1981.

“Over the next couple of years, he came and went several times,” Doyle said. “Each time he came, he stayed a little longer. In ’83, Lois Roden basically told him, ‘You’ve been sharing this message with me. Now it’s time you present it to the rest of the people.’ She turned the pulpit over to him. We had been taught that God would lead his people through prophets. We’ve been instructed to give them a hearing.

“We don’t fall for every one who comes along,” Doyle continued. “But 99 percent of the people accepted him. We accepted him as a messenger of God. I was one of the first.”

Was it his good looks? His guitar? The fact that he had memorized so much of the Bible?

“I don’t know that he was a very talented con man,” Doyle said. “It was not like we were swept off our feet because he looked like Jesus. You listened to what he had to say and either you were impressed or you weren’t.

“His spirit impressed me,” he said. “It’s hard to go back and pinpoint what words he used or what day it was. I couldn’t tell you. But it was definitely a strong conviction that he had something and it probably had something to do with Lois turning over the pulpit to him.”

What about the sex? How could Doyle let Koresh take his daughter?

“I still believe that it was of God,” Doyle said.

That Koresh should have sex with his daughter?

“Correct,” he said. “She made her own choice based on her Bible studies.”

“But Clive, she was 18,” I said.

“When God chooses messengers, some of these people are asked to do things by God which would be an anathema or contrary to the morals of the people of the day,” Doyle said. “David said once that, ‘They will accuse me of the very things that they themselves are doing. They will get on me about the women, but many of the same people that hate me, throw all these statements around about me, are having one-night stands with their secretaries.’”

What about the children?

Koresh had long preached that flames were a way to heaven, a fulfillment of prophecy. Three days before the fire, the Davidians put out a sign that said, “The flames await Isaiah 13.”

The Danforth report concluded that on April 19, the Branch Davidians spread accelerants throughout the compound and set fires in at least three locations. Microphones picked up several references inside the compound to lighting the fires. As the buildings were consumed, most inside showed no desire to escape.

That day in the park, Doyle and I talked briefly about the standoff and fire.

“I never saw anybody light the fires,” Doyle said. “I was in the chapel area, by the front door. The FBI was gassing us all morning. I heard someone yelling from upstairs that the building was on fire.”

He didn’t say why he decided to get out when so many others, including his daughter and six members of Samuel Henry’s family, did not. He did say that his daughter had believed until the end.

The longer we talked, the more it became apparent: Shari Doyle is a big reason Doyle continues to believe in Koresh. He doesn’t want to jeopardize the reunion with her, a reunion in the hereafter.

“Here’s what I would like you to consider,” he said. “What if I gave up on the whole thing? What if I really bought into the idea that we had been deceived? I would give up everything. There would be nothing to have faith in. I would not have any hope or anything to look forward to.”

“You mean seeing your daughter again?” I said.

“My daughter and a lot of the other people were my friends, too,” he said softly.

“But what about all the children who died?” I said. “They didn’t have a choice. How can you rationalize that?”

“I understand that it turns a lot of people off,” Doyle said. “But God has always allowed children to die.”

We finished our conversation in front of his house.

“I have a question for you,” Doyle said. “If you had to do it all over again, knowing what you know now, would you write the same book?”

I thought about that.

“Yes,” I said.

There was certainly plenty of room to second-guess the government, I told him, but I still believe, more than ever, that Koresh was responsible.

“Think about his theology,” I said. “It all led to the same place, to him. All the sex. The money. The car. The motorcycle. The guitars and rock bands. Who else got any of the benefits? Wasn’t that convenient?”

Doyle was silent for several moments.

“I guess we won’t know for sure until David comes back,” he said.

“I’ve got your cell number,” I said. “If that happens, I’ll be the first to call and apologize.”

Doyle smiled. We shook hands and said goodbye.

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